I saw the funniest thing today. There was a sign on a street post at 88th Ave and I-25 in Thornton, Co. The sign said "Become a homeowner for $500." Over the phone number on the sign there was yet another piece of paper that had this web address on it. It claimed that the paper underneath it was illegal. Does that mean that the causs.org sign is also illegal? If the first sign is illegal, then I would be sure that so would causs.org. Is this your way of taking the law into your own hands by breaking the same laws that you are trying to stop others from breaking?
OK, so I am trying to understand why you people have nothing better to do that build a website and go around "POSTING YOUR OWN SIGNS" on street corners trying to fight against the rest of the public on an issue that affects NOBODY.
I have spoken with an Adams county judge here in Thornton, CO and he said there were no laws on the books about street postings or "spam" as you call it. The only way it is illegal is if it falls off the post and hits the ground. Then it is littering. Even then, if the material is biodegradable, it has to be in excess of .5 Lbs. of material. So, where does the "It's illegal" come in on your campaign?
Also, do you people feel that it is right to try to persecute every day folks and small businesses for free enterprise? A lot of money is spent on advertising these days and a lot of small businesses are just trying to turn a profit, let alone have an advertising budget. Why don't you people do something good for the community and quit wasting everyone's time?

>OK, so I am trying to understand why you people have
>nothing better to do that build a website and go
>around "POSTING YOUR OWN SIGNS" on street corners trying to
>fight against the rest of the public on an issue
>that affects NOBODY.

Litter affects nobody? Would you like to see more illegal litter in your community, on your street corners, or even plastered on the sides of your place of business?

>I have spoken with an Adams county judge here in Thornton,
>CO and he said there were no laws on the
>books about street postings or "spam" as you call it.

Really? I just found this from checking the City of Thornton web site:
http://www.ci.thornton.co.us/comd/signinfo.asp

Also, according to http://www.ci.thornton.co.us/comd/muny_code.asp section 18-1056 says that all temporary signs must be freestanding and must have a permit. They have to be located 150 feet away from all intersections, as well.

> The only way it is illegal is if it
>falls off the post and hits the ground. Then
>it is littering. Even then, if the material is
>biodegradable, it has to be in excess of .5 Lbs.
>of material. So, where does the "It's illegal" come
>in on your campaign?

Litter less than half a pound is legal? I'll tell you what: I'll go to McDonalds every day, grab a Quarter Pounder combo, and throw the bag and debris on your property when I'm finished. I'll make sure the litter weighs less than half a pound. Maybe you wouldn't notice the first bag of litter, but you'd notice after five, ten, or twenty bags of litter.

>Also, do you people feel that it is right to try
>to persecute every day folks and small businesses for free
>enterprise?

We don't try and persecute all folks and small businesses -- just the ones who put up signs illegally.

>A lot of money is spent on advertising
>these days and a lot of small businesses are just
>trying to turn a profit, let alone have an advertising
>budget. Why don't you people do something good for
>the community and quit wasting everyone's time?

"Doing something good for the community" doesn't always equate to "doing something good for one specific business putting up illegal signs". CAUSS does something good for the community as a whole. If that impacts a specific business, and if that business was doing something illegally anyway, too bad.

It looks as though you are right. Thornton's city codes do say as you suggest. Now, I think that you people should turn yourselves in for breaking the law. I have also seen your signs 150 feet from intersections. Your signs are very similar to their signs. They are made of paper, stapled to poles, at intersections, advertising your website.

Do you people also cover political advertisements or campaign signs? These signs are all over every intersection? They are also illegal according to Thornton's codes. Why won't you guys take these down?

"Oh no, there are advertisements on a street corner! Oh dear lord, let's waste everyone's time by putting more signs up. People are starving, getting raped, forests are getting burned, cars are getting stolen. Let's worry about street spam."

Keep messing with people like this. Squash the little man. It's scum like you that has made this country no longer the free'est country in the world. Thanks!

Whew!!
You feel better now that you that off your chest?

GreatWhite-BH (GW)
Texas Chapter - CAUSS

GW

Hey, way to go GW!!!! Whatever you do...don't answer any questions. As a proponent to this organization, I would expect a little more from you. Why have a forum if you are not ready to deal with opposing criticism?
I almost feel like launching a counter-site. Causssucks.com is available. Maybe I will go put signs over the signs that you people post telling our citizens how your signs are just as illegal as the other signs. No, wait, my signs would be illegal too and I don't really feel like being a hypocrite today. That's your job.

>Hey, way to go GW!!!!
>Whatever you do...don't answer any
>questions.

No need, one of your buddies in your area has already asked these questions 10x over.
It's reeks of a 33rpm record stuck in the middle, playing at 78rpm speed.
Duh - the Donald DuckŪ syndrome.
Doesn't make sense to take up any more space on the site, do a search, if you know how.
"All" your questions are previously addressed and answered.

GreatWhite-BH (GW)
Texas Chapter - CAUSS

GW

Oh Hey...that makes sense. Might as well close the forum down now. These guys are so passionate about their cause that they are tired of answering questions. HAHAHAHAHA
Hypocrites and quitters. So again I ask...WHY DO YOU GUYS EXIST?

Duh - Answered in reply #3, this thread
And to "ColoBizGuy"
And, "Signsupporter"
And, "WorkatHome Mom"
And "A Thousand More"
etc, etc, etc,

GreatWhite-BH (GW)
Texas Chapter - CAUSS

GW

Think about that whiner! Maybe that should tell you something if soo many of those people disagree with you. We live in a democracy. Think about it.
You know, I read a post in another part of this forum. One of your folks said "We are only enforcing laws already on the books. We didn't create the laws." Sounds like you guys don't even agree with your cause.
Poor CAUSS guy is getting his feelings hurt because people don't agree with him. HAHAHAHA. I feel so sorry for you pathetic people. Do something about it. Stop posting more trash and figure out a way for people to post their ads legally and sanitary. Maybe start building post boards. But, then again, you guys are so hard headed, I'm sure you figure your way is the only way.

Rubicon321 trolled:

>Think about that whiner! Maybe that should tell you something
>if soo many of those people disagree with you.

Most of those "soo many" people disagree with us because we have removed and/or defaced their illegal signs. All that "tells us" is that they don't like it when we upset their illegal method of advertising. Not much of a surprise.

>We live in a democracy. Think about it.

Right you are. And our cities (including Thornton) have democratically elected representatives that have put laws on the books that outlaw the signs that we fight against. Have you thought about that?

>You know, I read a post in another part of this
>forum. One of your folks said "We are only
>enforcing laws already on the books. We didn't create
>the laws." Sounds like you guys don't even agree
>with your cause.

I don't see how you are able to draw that conclusion. To me, that says "the law makes the signs illegal, not CAUSS."

>I feel so sorry for you pathetic people. Do something about it.

I don't feel sorry for us, and I don't view ourselves as pathetic. So I certainly don't feel any need to "do something about it."

>Stop posting more trash and figure out a way for
>people to post their ads legally and sanitary. Maybe
>start building post boards.

Feel free to start your own website. You can call it "Citizens Interested In Learning Ways To Advertise Legally (CIILWTAL)". People that choose to advertise illegally have made a choice; I have chosen to fight that. Most of the people that post illegal signs know they're illegal, and do so not out of ignorance, but out of contempt for our neighborhoods and a desire to put the almighty dollar (and, by extension, themselves) ahead of all else. Education on legal advertising methods is of no interest to them. They already know them --- but because they aren't as cheap as illegal methods, they couldn't care less. Please don't counter with the tired argument of "small businesses need cheap (i.e., illegal) advertising to compete with the big guys." You can read the FAQ to see our stance on that issue.
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