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RedstoneTue Oct-30-01 01:38 PM
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"Nice scenery in Connecticut"


          

Well, back to business now that the great Dave Diversion is over...

Drove from Middletown to Meriden today on Route 66, which is a very heavily-travelled road, so the Vise-Grips were near at hand. But they weren't needed, as someone's obviously been beavering away at the signs up there; not a single one in ten miles! Then on to New Milford, where Ethan and his friend have done an outstanding job of keeping their corner of Connecticut clean.

Only bagged half a dozen (all "affordable health insurance") in Southington on a round trip of about 150 miles total.

Boy, was it nice to be able to enjoy the scenery without it being so rudely interrupted by stapled litter!

Sharks, don't lose faith. The tide CAN be turned on these eyesores. I realize that it's tougher for those of you who live in more heavily-populated areas, but hang in there.

Redstone

  

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flakierMon Nov-05-01 12:07 PM
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#1. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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    I'm just joining in, but I can cover a potentialy large area. I make the drive from Norwich to Hamden every day. When it has to be quick I take I-95, but occasionaly I take Rt. 2 -> 16 -> 66 -> 9 -> 91 -> 15. In particular is an annoying sign at the junction of Rt. 16 and 66, east of Portland, west from Marlborou.





    My locations are in and around the Greater New Haven Area, Groton/New London/Gales Ferry, Norwich/Sprague/Yantic, Wallingford/Meriden, Ansonia, Oxford. I'll try to stop and grab as many as I can in my travels.





    One question: What is the usual method used by the MLM Slave Idiots to post their signs? Staples, nails, tacks? Is it hard to get them down?



Cheers,

~Jason

  

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remoraMon Nov-05-01 03:21 PM
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#2. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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Flakier asked:

>What is the usual method used by the MLM Slave Idiots to post
>their signs? Staples, nails, tacks? Is it hard to get them down?

Haven't been to Connecticut, but unless the MLM'ers up there are radically different than the ones in Texas, then you'll likely see an assortment of staples and nails. Stapled signs usually come down very easily, and nailed signs can vary in difficulty.

If they're within reach, you should be able to pull down any sign without too much trouble. Otherwise, build yourself a Sharky Stick for a few dollars (do a search on the forum for details), and knocking-down any sign will become child's play for you. Sure, there will always be a few exceptions, but they'll be few and far between.

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RedstoneWed Nov-07-01 05:05 PM
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#3. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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>
>    I'm just joining in, but I can cover a potentialy large area. I make the drive from Norwich to Hamden every day. When it has to be quick I take I-95, but occasionaly I take Rt. 2 -> 16 -> 66 -> 9 -> 91 -> 15. In particular is an annoying sign at the junction of Rt. 16 and 66, east of Portland, west from Marlborou.
>


>
>
>
>    My locations are in and around
>the Greater New Haven Area,
>Groton/New London/Gales Ferry, Norwich/Sprague/Yantic, Wallingford/Meriden,
>Ansonia, Oxford. I'll try
>to stop and grab as
>many as I can in
>my travels.
>


>
>
>
>    One question: What is the
>usual method used by the
>MLM Slave Idiots to post
>their signs? Staples, nails,
>tacks? Is it hard
>to get them down?
>


>
>Cheers,
>
>~Jason
Boy, am I glad to hear from you! (Though I don’t envy your commute; that’s a long haul.)

Basically, I’ve been covering the shoreline from Guilford through Niantic, and up the west side of the Connecticut River as far as Haddam. I also go out to Mystic every few weeks, and while there try to clean up Route 1 and the I-95 interchanges between Mysitc and Stonington.

The worst problem I see right now is Waterford and New London; I haven’t had time to do much cleaning there. We could work together on this to save each other some "cruising around" time; if you drop down that way, let me know what areas you’ve cleaned by posting in this forum and I’ll head right for the other parts of town next time I go there, instead of cruising around to look for signs. I’ll do the same for you.

Also, if you are in any of the towns in my "home territory" noted above, and you see some signs but don’t have time to get them, post the locations here and I’ll take care of it. Again, I’ll do the same if I’m traveling along your routes.

Some observations about the sign spammers and their methods: Their patttern around here (it’s probably the same everywhere) is to cruise I-95 and Route 9, jump off exits, and put up signs on the poles at the ends of the exit ramps (and stick some in the ground with wire legs as well). If the exit ramps leads to a populated road like Route 1, they’ll typically fan out for a mile or so and plaster signs all along, especially around shopping centers intersections, etc.

Most of them just use a staple gun; these signs are easy to rip down with a pair of Vise-Grips, as are the ones put up with six-penny common nails. However, some of these losers think they’re clever, so they put large plastic washers under the nail heads, or use these God-aful nails with 1-inch square heads.

What I use in that case, and when the signs are too high to reach with the Vise-Grips, is an aluminum bar or a wood 2 x 3 with a utility-knife blade bolted to it. (You could use small C-clamps instead of drilling and bolting.) I slice the sign vertically on both sides of the nails, leaving as narrow a strip as possible (my personal preference is to get as much off the ople as I can). Some in this group prefer this method for all signs, as the remaining strip of sign does seem to inform future sign (the less-dumb ones, anyway) that someone is removing signs in the area.

There’s someone in Niantic who spray-paints the phone numbers as a warning. That does seem to keep new signs away, but it doesn’t get rid of the ubly one that’s already there, so I don’t recommend it. I’m in this to keep Connecticut as clean as I can.

Besides the "work at home" and "lose weight" signs, you’ll see a bunch of black and white ones touting "affordable health insurance." My advice is not to be fooled by the apparent beneficial message of these signs – they’re nothing more than common litter like the others. If you’d like more background on these signs, search these forums for "NASE" or "Mega Insurance" for other posts I’ve put up about these people.

Hope all this helps, and I hope you’ll keep in touch so we can work together on Watertown / New London, which is about halfway between us and a little too much for me to handle on my own.

Again, thanks for joining the fight against this ugly litter. With some effort, we CAN keep our state clean; soemtimes we go over a month on the shoreline with no new signs at all.

Redstone




  

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flakierMon Nov-12-01 12:20 PM
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#8. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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>The worst problem I see right
>now is Waterford and New
>London; I haven’t had time
>to do much cleaning there.
>We could work together on
>this to save each other
>some "cruising around" time; if
>you drop down that way,
>let me know what areas
>you’ve cleaned by posting in
>this forum and I’ll head
>right for the other parts
>of town next time I
>go there, instead of cruising
>around to look for signs.
>I’ll do the same for
>you.

Yea, that whole area is kinda large, and I can also see some misinformed guy's/gal's in the Navy posting some signs hoping for bit's of extra cash. I'll do that and maybe I can convince some friends of mine to go out crusing for signs to rip down. That way it's faster

>Also, if you are in any
>of the towns in my
>"home territory" noted above, and
>you see some signs but
>don’t have time to get
>them, post the locations here
>and I’ll take care of
>it. Again, I’ll do the
>same if I’m traveling along
>your routes.

Yup, I get into Guilford and Old Saybrook on occassion. Middletown is usualy as far south on 9 as I get.

>Some observations about the sign spammers
>and their methods: Their patttern
>around here (it’s probably the
>same everywhere) is to cruise
>I-95 and Route 9, jump
>off exits, and put up
>signs on the poles at
>the ends of the exit
>ramps (and stick some in
>the ground with wire legs
>as well). If the exit
>ramps leads to a populated
>road like Route 1, they’ll
>typically fan out for a
>mile or so and plaster
>signs all along, especially around
>shopping centers intersections, etc.

Hmm, I'll have to check out the Old Lyme area a bit along 156. Maybe take a trip out to the Book Barn one of these days

><...> However,
>some of these losers think
>they’re clever, so they put
>large plastic washers under the
>nail heads, or use these
>God-aful nails with 1-inch square
>heads.

Hmm, I'll try and think up a tool for that. maybe a small crowbar or some modification of.


>I slice the sign vertically on
>both sides of the nails,
>leaving as narrow a strip
>as possible (my personal preference
>is to get as much
>off the ople as I
>can). Some in this group
>prefer this method for all
>signs, as the remaining strip
>of sign does seem to
>inform future sign (the less-dumb
>ones, anyway) that someone is
>removing signs in the area.
>
>
>There’s someone in Niantic who spray-paints
>the phone numbers as a
>warning. That does seem to
>keep new signs away, but
>it doesn’t get rid of
>the ubly one that’s already
>there, so I don’t recommend
>it. I’m in this to
>keep Connecticut as clean as
>I can.

Yea, I kinda like the spray paint idea for it's "severe warning" effect, but it does make the sign all the much uglier that's for sure. The slicing method does seem like a good idea to me, I'll use it.

>Besides the "work at home" and
>"lose weight" signs, you’ll see
>a bunch of black and
>white ones touting "affordable health
>insurance."

Yea, I remember a while back in Norwich there was a close to plaugue like density of thos insurance signs. Most of them were the 2 wire stick in the ground type and have been taken down

>Hope all this helps, and I
>hope you’ll keep in touch
>so we can work together
>on Watertown / New London,
>which is about halfway between
>us and a little too
>much for me to handle
>on my own.
>
>Again, thanks for joining the fight
>against this ugly litter. With
>some effort, we CAN keep
>our state clean; soemtimes we
>go over a month on
>the shoreline with no new
>signs at all.
>
>Redstone


yes, this state is quite pretty and the signs are an absolute shame. I'll have to admit though that i'm almost more irritated by the "money for free" attitude these hucksters promote. I remember reading the VanDruff artical, oh, probably close to 2 years ago now and being insensed at the whole thing. Funny I should never think about ripping signs down until now :/

Cheers,

~Jason

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RedstoneWed Nov-07-01 05:48 PM
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#4. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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Hey, I just remembered that I was up in Wallingford yesterday (how's THAT for sharp thinking) and I only got three signs; two at the commuter parking area on Route 68 by the reservoir, and one at the Route 5 / Route 68 ramp. No others, all the way down Route 5 to North Haven!

Is that your work, Jason? If so, I salute you. I expected such a heavily-travelled area to be covered with the damn signs.

Don't forget to take a look at my long post with lots of info in this forum.

Redstone

  

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billvansic (Guest)Thu Nov-08-01 05:18 AM

  
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Thanks to all of you up there in Connecticut for the great job that you are doing to rid your area of the ugly signs. My son-in-law's parents live in the Hartford area (not sure exactly where). You have a lot of support from us down here in the Dallas area.

  

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RedstoneFri Nov-09-01 11:32 AM
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>Thanks to all of you up
>there in Connecticut for the
>great job that you are
>doing to rid your area
>of the ugly signs.
>My son-in-law's parents live in
>the Hartford area (not sure
>exactly where). You have
>a lot of support from
>us down here in the
>Dallas area.

Thanks for the good thoughts. I think we actually have it considerably easier up here than you guys in the Texas Metro areas; though we have a high population density on paper, we only have a few cities over 100K population and only 3 Interstates running through the state. so most of the signs are clustered around the highway exits and it doesn't take forever to get them all.

I lived in Houston in 1977 - 1978 and remember how crowded it was back then; it must be an awful lot of work for you to keep up.

Hang in there.

Redstone

  

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flakierMon Nov-12-01 11:56 AM
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#7. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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>Is that your work, Jason? If
>so, I salute you. I
>expected such a heavily-travelled area
>to be covered with the
>damn signs.

Nope, someone else seems to be taking care of things pretty well down here. Some do the spray paint thing, but I do notice poles that have just a whole bunch of staples/tacks/whatever stuck in. Unfortunatly, I do see that there is more in the poorer areas; just what they need, some ****sucker trying to swindle $ from them. IIRC, there is my Linux Users group meeting in New London tonight, I'll try and swing around in and around the nehborhood a bit over there on Howard street (NL Pheizer area). Have to remember to stop by Home Depot and/or Sears for shark stick supplies. Hmm, I bet those big Auto-Lock Pliers from Sears will do good justice!


~Jason

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mick (Guest)Sat Nov-17-01 07:41 PM

  
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Hey! I just found out about CAUSS because somebody put a CAUSS.ORG sticker on a street spam sign in Vernon. I live in Hamden and drive to Tolland twice a week. I've taken down lots in northern Hamden, a few in North Haven, a couple in Wethersfield. Glad to know I'm not alone. Keep up the good work!

  

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RedstoneSun Nov-18-01 06:23 AM
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#10. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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>Hey! I just found out about CAUSS because somebody put a CAUSS.ORG sticker on a street spam sign in Vernon.
> I live in Hamden and drive to Tolland twice a week. I've taken down lots in northern Hamden, a few in North Haven, a couple in Wethersfield. Glad to know I'm not alone. Keep up the
>good work!

Aha, so that must be why I didn't see any signs in North Haven last time I was there. Good work!

How are things around Tolland? We haven't heard from anyone in that area yet, but there are many places in CT I've seen that were apparently cleaned up by someone who hasn't visited CAUSS yet.

Keep at it. If you join the forum, or check back periodically, you'll find lots of updates, tips & tricks, etc that will be real helpful.

I'll be in your area next week and will help by snagging whatever I see (my car will be in the shop, and I'll use the loaner to cruise & shark for a couple of hours.).

Redstone

  

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mickSun Nov-18-01 08:39 PM
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#11. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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Who's in charge here? Where do I get the stickers? That's the best way to spread the word. Fight fire with fire. Use their signs to advertise the CAUSS. I'm ready to stick it to them.

  

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RedstoneMon Nov-19-01 11:21 AM
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#12. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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>Who's in charge here? Where
>do I get the stickers?
> That's the best way
>to spread the word.
>Fight fire with fire.
>Use their signs to advertise
>the CAUSS. I'm ready
>to stick it to them.
>
Well, there are guys who run the website, but there's nobody who is really "in charge:" it's a cooperative effort.

There's a thread in the General forum with some information on making stickers. Although I should mention that we've had a LOT of success here in CT by ripping the signs down, then calling the spammers and advising that we'll take new ones down if they come back. Usually takes twice, becuase the spammers tend to be a little slow on the uptake.

Search the messages in this forum and the general one for the phone messages we leave; they work.

I went to Wallingford this morning; you appear to be doing a damn good job around there. Rte. 5 from North Haven through Wallingford is nice and clean. The only place I saw any signs was right around the Ames store on Rte. 80 in Foxon; did not have time to stop. Bagged a few at Rte. 80 and 139 in North Branford on the way back.

Don't worry about Branford, by the way; there's a retired cop there who keeps the town nice and clean.

Thanks for joining; let us know if there's anything we can help you with.

Redstone

  

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mickMon Nov-19-01 12:13 PM
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#13. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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I can't take credit for that. SOMEBODY has been doing a great job over there. I went up State St. in North Haven today and was amazed. No street spam! I think people are catching on. There may be a lot of closet sharks.

  

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RedstoneMon Nov-19-01 04:46 PM
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LAST EDITED ON 11-19-01 AT 06:47 PM (CST)

>I can't take credit for that.
> SOMEBODY has been doing
>a great job over there.
> I went up State
>St. in North Haven today
>and was amazed. No
>street spam! I think
>people are catching on.
>There may be a lot
>of closet sharks.

There certainly are. I stumbled across CAUSS the better part of a year afte I started ripping the damn signs down.

I have NO idea who put up the CAUSS sticker that you saw in Vernon; I haven't heard any Connecticut members say they use them.

Ethan's a real champ; he's been at it in Danbury / New Milford for several years and has taken SEVERAL THOUSAND signs down during that time.

I'm not sure how "flakier" (Jason) found CAUSS, but he and his pals have been ripping 'em up big time in the New London area.

And there's someone who has been spray-painting the phone numbers on the signs in Niantic for quite a while.

So, yes, there are a lot more of us out there; they just don't know there's an "us" yet. The signs I clouted in North Branford today had already been bent double by someone who didn't like them but apparently didn't have removal tools.

We're turning the tide, bit by bit, and taking back our towns. Maybe some day the news will percolate through the MLM crowd that Connecticut is an expensive place to waste signs.

Until then we shall fight them at the phone poles; we shall fight them at the stop signs; we shall fight them on the highway exits and road intersections and at the shopping centers; we shall never surrender.

Redstone


  

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pauldow (Guest)Mon Dec-10-01 11:29 AM

  
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>>we've had a LOT of success here in CT by ripping the signs down, then calling the spammers and advising that we'll take new ones down if they come back.<<

Is calling them opening you up to harassment since even if you press *67 prior to making your call, the jerks can see your phone number from the caller ID of the 800, 866, 877 numbers?

  

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BeastieMon Dec-10-01 07:18 PM
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#16. "RE: Nice scenery in Connecticut"
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>>>we've had a LOT of success here in CT by ripping the signs down, then calling the spammers and advising that we'll take new ones down if they come back.<<
>
>Is calling them opening you up
>to harassment since even if
>you press *67 prior to
>making your call, the jerks
>can see your phone number
>from the caller ID of
>the 800, 866, 877 numbers?

Informing a spammer of the illegality of their signs, as well as the fate of future postings, I wouldn't call harassment. If it's in a threatening tone, or merely calling to annoy, then I'd consider it harassment.

As for caller ID, I believe all calls should be made from a public telephone. You're just asking for trouble if you call from home.

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